powertoenditassoonaspossible. Hehasalsooffered tomediateifitshould bedifficult forthemtoresolveitthemselves. Inthatregard, wecansaythat theofferofmediation bythePanAfricanist Congress -sincewearenotdirectly involved -stillstands, andwehopeitwillbeutilized. Weareconvinced thatitispossible toendthe violer.~ce inourcountry. It isalsopossible tocreatethedemocratic culture wearetalking aboutwithinthe oppressed majority inourcountry. Whatisrequired istheleadership, thewill andthecommitment. InthatregardthePanAfricanist Congress willplayitsrole inbringing thisabout. IwanttoinformtheCommittee thatforsometimetherehavebeenanumberof peopleconcerned abouttheposition ofthePanAfricanist Congress vis-a-vis the current developments, andtheso-called euphoria ofnegotiations thatisseenin apartheid SouthAfrica. ThePAC,fromtheveryoutset, tooktheposition ittakes today: thatwhathastobenegotiated inapartheid SouthAfricaisnotapartheid. NordoesthePACsubscribe totheformulation thatapartheid hastobedismantled, because ourunderstanding oftheworddismantle iscarefully separating thevarious components andputting themaside. Asoneofourfighters haspointed out,ifhe isgivenagunandisaskedtodismantle it,hehastomakesurehetakesoutthe various partsofthegunverycarefully. Shouldhedestroy anypartofitinthe process, heisquitelikelytobecourt-martialled. Wedonotwantanyoneinour country tocomebacksubsequently andputthosepartsbacktogether. Sowearenot talking aboutdismantling apartheid; wearetalking abouteradicating theevil systemofapartheid. i..-"i\C)EMS/ll A/SPC/44/PV.26 38 (Mr.Ebrahim, PAC) fthePan calluponthose ythingintheir ifitshould cansaythat notdirectly country. It utwithinthe ip,thewill playitsrole enanumberof 'is-a.-vis the tisseenin itionittakes notapartheid. bedismantled, ,ingthevarious ,edout,ifhe takesoutthe ,ofitinthe anyoneinour Sowearenot IgtheevilWecontinue tomaintain thatapartheid cannotbereformed; itmustbetotally eradicated. Wealsomaintain thatthegenuine vehicle forchangeinourcountry canneverbetheregime, butmustratherbetheoppressed anddispossessed majority. Itistheywhomustbeprepared; theircapacity toresist andtofight mustbestrengthened atalllevels: ideologically, organi~atjonally andmilitarily. IwanttosaythattheSouthAfrican racist regimeforaperiodoftimehas beenattempting tomakecontact withthePanAfricanist Congress. Theyhaveused several Western Governments tocontact us.Wehavemadeitabundantly cleartothe SouthAfrican racist regime andtothoseemissaries theysendtoDar-es-Salaam and elsewhere thatiftheregimewantstotalktothePanAfricanist Congress itmust dosoinwriting and,secondly, mustdosowithout anypre-conditions. Wemustsay thatlastmonthourPresident received aletter fromtheSouthAfrican Administration calling onthePACtotalktotheregime onanexploratory basis. Thedocument saidthatthePAChadbeeninvited unconditionally totalktothe regime, notfornegotiations butinexploratory talkstoascertain theposition. ThePanAfricanist Congress, becauseitisademocratic organization, correctly decided thatthislettershouldbewidelydiscussed atthegrass-roots leveloftheorganization, bothinternally andexternally. Thatprocess is currently goingon.Itisthemembership whichwillgivetheverdict onhowthe PanAfricanist Congress will r~spond totheletter. Butageneral consenSU$ nas already arisenasaresultofthisdebate. Iftheregimewantstoinformusof whatitthinks, weshouldaccordittherightatleasttotelluswhatitthinks. Weshouldalsoutilize theopportunity totelltheregimewhatwethink. We believe thisiswhatanyserious organization woulddo.I,,, EMS/ll A/SPC/44/PV.26 39-40 (Mr.Ebrahim, PAC)RM/ Butthereisaproblem thatstillhastobeovercome, namelythecomposition ofthedelegation ofthePanAfricanist Congress thatwouldparticipate inthe meeting -ifthemeeting takesplaceatall.ThePACwillinsist,first,thatthe composition ofthedelegation willbedecided solalybythePanAfricanist Congress ofAzaniaitself.Aza goi rej con tha swo ins JRMI7,. AlSPC/44/PV.26 41 (Mr. Ebrah~m, PAC) Secondly, ifmembers fromtheexternal wingofthePanAfricanist Congress of Azania (PAC)aretobeincluded inthatdelegation thenthemembers whowouldbe goingaspartofthatdelegation mustbegranted permanent indemnity. ThePACwill rejecttemporary indemnity because sinceweareintheprocess ofcreating a conducive climate wedonotbelieve thattheregimeshouldontheonehan~claim thatitwantstotalkandenterintoexploratory talksandatthesametimekeepa swordofDamocles hanging overthepersonsitwishestotalkto.Wewilltherefora insistthatthereshouldbeapermanent indemnity granted tothosepeople